Chapter 532: The Petty Intrigues Within the Grand Construction

Oda Nobunaga's path was destined for failure. He appeared to provide a way of life for the farmers by only collecting one-third of the annual harvest as tax, and he also provided a way of life for the *ashigaru* by greatly increasing their compensation, thereby replacing the samurai class's control over military power. This "walking on two legs" approach gave him a formidable army, sufficient provisions, and the military miracle of breaking through encirclement nets multiple times.

Yet, there was one thing he could not achieve: making military power an extension of politics. He could not rein in violence; the violence in his hands remained disordered.

Oda Nobunaga made countless attempts. He built Azuchi Castle, replacing Kyoto as the political center, and made himself the de facto Emperor of Japan—the "Tenka Bito" (Unifier of the Realm)—thereby spreading his military rule across the land. Every step he took continuously pushed the importance of military power higher, making it increasingly difficult for the military to become an extension of politics.

A ballast stone must, of course, be heavy enough to allow a great ship to sail steadily without being capsized by strong winds and waves. But a continuously expanding ballast stone would ultimately lead Japan down a dead end: the exhaustion of the nation through militarism.

Whether it was Oda Nobunaga or his successors, they would all fall into this predicament, eventually having to circle back to the original path: establishing a shogunate and allowing local autonomy.

The current chaos in Japan is actually something the Central Plains once experienced: the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period of the late Tang, characterized by the separatist rule of military governors (*Military Governor*). That was a dark era. The most representative saying of the late Tang and Five Dynasties was: "Does the Son of Heaven have a noble lineage? It is merely for those with strong soldiers and sturdy horses."

Order? Where would order come from? There was only slaughter. That seemingly spirited remark actually hid an infinite reverence for disorder, as if one could become a master of men simply by embracing chaos. But in reality, in a world of disorder, everyone is a victim whose life hangs by a thread.

An Chongrong, the Military Governor of the Chengde Army who uttered these words, lost all his advantages of "strong soldiers and sturdy horses" after successive defeats and was ultimately killed by the Jin army of Shi Jingtang.

The low-level soldiers of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms formed interest alliances, coercing their superiors and generals, forcing them to "nurture bandits to ensure their own importance," or simply to rebel. These low-level soldiers not only killed civil officials who refused to cooperate but also murdered low-ranking officers and even Military Governor who were unwilling to join them. The so-called "the lower overthrowing the higher" (*gekokujō*) was the norm.

Since Huang Chao broke through Chang'an and the world fell into disorder, until Chai Rong seized Huainan and held the momentum to swallow the world, seventeen Military Governor were killed by their own troops in mutinies: Yu Xue Neng, Zhi Xiang, Gao Xun, Li Keju, Zhu Mei, Gao Pian, Wang Chongrong, Li Kekong, Liu Leng Jianfeng, Wang Gong, and others.

In that era of the late Tang and Five Dynasties, *gekokujō* became a prevailing trend. Even the masters of the house, such as the Military Governor and regional warlords, were so insecure; one can imagine how miserable the common people were.

Admittedly, this abundance of martial spirit brought the combat effectiveness of the armies to the peak of all dynasties. Professionalized armies were high in morale and fierce in battle. The tactic of infantry defeating heavy cavalry, which could only be achieved by elites in other times, was commonplace during the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms.

The price? The price was that the Central Plains lost the Sixteen Prefectures of Yanyun. To get ahead, anything could be sold out; to become the Son of Heaven, even becoming a "son emperor" was considered acceptable.

The price was that these soldiers would devour every place they passed through. The appearance of completely uncontrolled violence was the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms. These *yabing* (garrison soldiers) had no morality whatsoever, leaving the people in dire straits.

The Wei, Jin, Northern and Southern Dynasties, and the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms had nothing beautiful about them.

It was not until Chai Rong entered Huainan and held the momentum to sweep across the world that military power was incorporated as an extension of politics, becoming the greatest political correctness. Zhao Zhao Kuangyin finally reined it in completely, which could be considered the conclusion to the chaos of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms. Violence finally changed from being completely uncontrolled to becoming controllable.

After Zhao Zhao Kuangyin died, his younger brother, the "Donkey Cart War God" Zhao Zhao Guangyi, suffered successive defeats and could only move toward "promoting literature and suppressing the military."

The party strife of the two Song dynasties basically revolved around the "reform and innovation" advocated by Zhao Zhao Kuangyin and the "ancestral laws" advocated by Zhao Zhao Guangyi. Whenever there was reform, it was accompanied by a strong military; whenever there was conservatism and counter-attacks, it was accompanied by valuing literature over the military.

The weakness of the two Song dynasties, and the fact that the Great Song could only promote literature and suppress the military, was the fault of Zhao Zhao Guangyi. After his defeat, he was too afraid of being overthrown by military force and replaced.

As time passed and peace reigned for a long time, people gradually forgot the terror of completely uncontrolled violence, and thus could not understand or appreciate the value of Zhao Zhao Kuangyin. But the Great Ming also has similar concerns and worries, which is the placement of guest troops.

【532-22】 Even Qi Qi Jiguang, who started with guest troops, opposed the disbandment of military colonies and garrisons. Instead, he wanted to maintain the strength of these colonies and organize the Capital Battalion to strengthen the military, all to prevent the disorder of violence and keep violence within the scope of order.

Even Qi Qi Jiguang, who started out with private soldiers, opposed the disbanding of military colonies and garrisons; he wanted to maintain the strength of these colonies and organize the Capital Tianjin Tianjin Weisuo as a way to strengthen the military, all to prevent the disorder of violence and keep violence within the scope of order.

"Report to the Son of Heaven" is a slogan that every dynasty's military training would shout, but "save the common people below"—the obligation of the army to save the common people—was only found in the Qi Qi Jiguang family by the end of the Ming.

Japan is currently in a state of completely uncontrolled violence. While Oda Nobunaga obtained formidable military power by giving the *ashigaru* extremely high compensation, it meant further loss of control over violence and the collapse of morality. Neither Oda Nobunaga nor Toyotomi Hideyoshi could solve this problem. *Gekokujō* was inevitable, and it would generalize. They could only turn into war machines, continuously launching wars, and ultimately destroying themselves in the process.

This is Xu Wei's analysis of the current situation in Japan.

The history of the Central Plains is very, very long. Many things are lessons learned only after tens of millions of people paid the price in blood and sacrifice.

Oda Nobunaga wanted to find out who the mole beside him was and did not launch a war, but Mouri Terumoto sent his uncle to attack. At the same time, he joined forces with several *daimyo* to prepare for a joint strangulation of Oda Nobunaga. This might be a long war, but the Great Ming can sell firearms and gunpowder again!

Firearms are a huge profit, especially in war zones.

Xu Wei's memorial arrived at the completely thawed Bohai Bay by water. The Great Ming Emperor received Xu Wei's memorial the next day. Rather than a memorial, it was more like observations from the Eastern Expedition. The section on precious banknotes was extremely beneficial to the Great Ming. Zhu Zhu Yijun could not put down the thick six-volume book.

"It doesn't matter who wins or loses between Oda Nobunaga and Mouri Terumoto; what matters is that the Great Ming will win." Zhu Zhu Yijun finished reading Xu Wei's memorial and smiled exceptionally happily. When making money, one should naturally be happy! He had just cut 7 million silver from his own flesh as the startup capital for the Beijing-Kaifeng Expressway. The construction cost of 9,800 silver per *li* made even Zhu Zhu Yijun, the richest young master in the capital, feel a bit of pain.

Now, the silver can be earned back from Japan. Like a thirsty vampire that has finally caught a big blood bag, he naturally has to take a big bite to replenish his blood.

The Beijing-Kaifeng Expressway is sponsored by Japan. Japan received the Great Ming Emperor's sincere gratitude—of course, only gratitude, not even verbal gratitude.

And most importantly, the Great Ming can control the balance of victory in Japan's civil war, keeping them at a point where it seems that with a little more effort, they could eliminate the other side, thereby making a fortune.

The Great Ming is a businessman; it only needs to rely on its product advantage to do business. Robbing? How can that be faster than making war profits?

The Great Ming does not need to fight personally; it only needs to do one thing: control the outflow of gunpowder, and it can make them bleed each other dry.

In the fourth year of Emperor Wanli, Mouri Terumoto and Oda Nobunaga began a direct conflict, and the core of this conflict was the command of the sea in Osaka Bay, the outlet of Kyoto.

During the first engagement, Mouri Terumoto, relying on his transcendent status as Japan's second-largest navy with a scale of 600 ships, completely annihilated the Oda navy, blocking Oda Nobunaga back into Kyoto. Furthermore, Mouri Terumoto occupied Ishiyama Ishiyama Hongan-ji. Ishiyama Ishiyama Hongan-ji was 20 *li* away from the Emperor's residence in Kyoto; one could say he drove a nail into Kyoto.

Once Oda Nobunaga is defeated again, the position of "Tenka Bito" will be Mouri Terumoto's!

Two years later, Oda Nobunaga produced 6 *Atakebune* ships in Ise Province. Equipped with six cannons, these *Atakebune* defeated Mouri Terumoto's arrogant navy. From then on, Mouri Terumoto completely lost command of the sea in Osaka Bay.

The focus of the game was command of the sea, and Oda Nobunaga relied on the *Atakebune* equipped with six cannons. Mouri Terumoto also had cannons, but firing cannons requires gunpowder. Japan has no saltpeter and could only rely on collecting the white frost on toilet walls bit by bit. For war, that bit of white frost wasn't even enough to fill the gaps between teeth.

Now, Mouri Terumoto doesn't have to worry. He possesses precious gunpowder for war and only needs to keep digging silver at the Iwami Ginzan Bai Yin Mine to exchange for it. Similarly, Oda Nobunaga can also exchange silver for gunpowder.

Then, the quantity of gunpowder became the key to victory or defeat in the war.

【532-44】 As a scarce commodity, it is reasonable for the Great Ming to raise the price a little. Because demand has become vigorous while supply remains unchanged, the highest bidder gets it; that is the law of the market!

A slight price increase is reasonable and fair, because demand has become robust while supply remains unchanged; thus, the highest bidder wins—that is the law of the market!

"Fighting is good! The more lively the fight, the better!" Zhu Zhu Yijun replied to Xu Wei's memorial with a radiant smile. A Viceroy who can earn silver is a good Viceroy. Zhu Zhu Yijun wrote more than 400 characters, mainly to urge Xu Wei and others: watching the fun is fine, but don't get burned. If you encounter something you can't decide, run first. You don't have to be a martyr. The Great Ming doesn't need martyrs. As long as the Japanese dare to launch an attack on the Nagasaki Viceroy's Office, the Great Ming navy will surely arrive to destroy Japan!

This is the Great Ming Emperor's promise.

Of course, there is also Zhu Zhu Yijun's expectation for them: you can try raising the price of gunpowder tenfold first. If that doesn't work, raise it twentyfold, fiftyfold, or a hundredfold—all are fine.

During wartime, the more expensive it is, the more they buy.

Losing the war means having nothing; winning the war means winning everything.

Feng Bao frowned and said, "Your Majesty, I have a foolish opinion."

"Speak."

Feng Bao whispered, "Is Mouri Terumoto launching this war so impatiently to attract Oda Nobunaga's main attention? So that Oda Nobunaga cannot spare the effort to find the traitor beside him and can only put all his thoughts into the war? And then, this traitor, this mole, will strike at the critical moment!"

"A hammer blow to seal the deal!"

Feng Bao clenched his right fist and slammed it hard into his left palm.

Zhu Zhu Yijun nodded repeatedly and said, "You understand conspiracy and trickery. If you can't defeat Oda Nobunaga from the front, then break through from behind. Once the military starts moving, the water will become completely muddy. At this time, as long as Oda Nobunaga is even slightly off-guard, he will be killed. If you can't beat Oda Nobunaga, use conspiracy and trickery."

"This is also something I must guard against. General Qi said that at any time, in any place, do not be overly arrogant, otherwise you will be defeated. I should take this as a warning."

"Tsk tsk, this Oda Nobunaga is surrounded by danger."

Feng Bao looked left and right and whispered, "Your Majesty, I suspect that Oda Nobunaga is surrounded by traitors. It's not just Akechi Mitsuhide; his subordinates Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu are probably traitors too. Otherwise, it would be absolutely impossible for this *ashigaru* to appear within five steps of Oda Nobunaga with a firearm."

"You mean Oda Nobunaga is already surrounded by traitors, and people's hearts are wavering?" Zhu Zhu Yijun was stunned.

Feng Bao bowed his head and said, "Yes. Oda Nobunaga is a 'Tenka Bito' who fought his way up. To make such a big mistake, it is absolutely not something one person like Akechi Mitsuhide could do. Others are watching coldly, waiting for Oda Nobunaga to die so they can pick the peaches. Once this kind of drama is staged, it will be repeated over and over again."

How did Feng Bao reach this conclusion? This brings us to the assassination attempt in the first year of Emperor Wanli. Afterward, the more Feng Bao thought about it, the more something felt wrong. How could a Chen Hong from the *langxia* family send an assassin into the palace? Clearly, many people were watching coldly. Whether they knew or didn't know, they were all waiting—waiting for the Emperor to be assassinated so that he, Feng Bao, would fall into bad luck.

Whether the Emperor lived or died didn't matter. If the Emperor didn't die, Feng Bao deserved to die for failing to protect him. If the Emperor died, there was still a younger Prince Lu who could ascend the throne and continue to maintain the pattern of a young master and a suspicious state.

So, it was truly dangerous back then.

"Then this Oda Nobunaga probably cannot escape the fate of being assassinated." Zhu Zhu Yijun pondered for a moment and determined that what Feng Bao said made a lot of sense.

With the general consensus of *gekokujō* existing, this kind of scene in Japan will continue to repeat itself, never-ending.

Zhu Zhu Yijun did not intend to do anything. Oda Nobunaga is a tough guy in Japan. He walked step by step from the "Great Fool of Owari" to the position of "Tenka Bito." He is not a fool. What Feng Bao can see, Oda Nobunaga, the person involved, has already figured out long ago.

"Inspector Hai has formulated the anti-corruption process for the Grand Construction. This is done very well, and it is very novel. It is worth publishing on the front page of the *Di Bao*." Zhu Zhu Yijun took out Hence Hai Rui's memorial and said quite happily.

Combining his years of anti-corruption experience, Hence Hai Rui produced a set of executable anti-corruption processes. It was roughly the same as what Wang Wang Chonggu said: focus on the big and ignore the small. Focusing on the big and ignoring the small doesn't mean giving up the investigation of petty corruption; it means acknowledging that this is an industry rule.

Eating, drinking, and taking a little—as long as it is within the range of "reasonable loss," it will not be excessively pursued. Petty corruption must also be opposed, but it is also about restricting excessive rent-seeking that leads to problems with project quality. The main means are concentrated on accountability. For the Grand Construction, if there are no problems, fine; if there are problems, everyone will be punished.

Focusing on the big is mainly concentrated on layer-by-layer purchasing and subcontracting. This is the biggest problem in the Grand Construction, and the vast majority of petty corruption scenarios occur in the process of layer-by-layer subcontracting.

"Your Majesty, why not summon the Second Grand Secretary and ask? Wang Wang Chonggu has unique insights into anti-corruption." Feng Bao offered his opinion. Hence Hai Rui's method was already very perfect, but it was still necessary to ask a big corrupt official to see if it was easy to use.

The only person in the court with a lot of corruption experience is Wang Wang Chonggu. It is very necessary to let the Second Grand Secretary combine his rich experience to check it.

Being able to oppose the corruption of big corrupt officials like Wang Wang Chonggu is a good system.

Before a policy is implemented, collecting opinions from all sides and pooling wisdom is not a bad way to improve the policy.

"Good, summon the Second Grand Secretary." Zhu Zhu Yijun thought it was very necessary.

Wang Wang Chonggu did not arrive at the Tonghe Palace for an audience until evening. He had been presiding over the production of liquid fertilizer at the Xishan Coal Bureau. The effect of the liquid fertilizer was very good, exceeding expectations. In some plots, there was a phenomenon of burning seedlings—not because the dilution ratio was insufficient, but because the local land was already fertile.

"The Second Grand Secretary's spirit is much better. You are still strong and vigorous, and your spirit is high." Zhu Zhu Yijun looked at Wang Wang Chonggu. His state really looked very good.

Wang Wang Chonggu waved his hand repeatedly and said with a smile, "Just an old man."

"Your Majesty, this liquid fertilizer is good. Those coal gangue can also be used for liquid fertilizer, and the charring process can also treat liquid fertilizer. It is truly a tool for the benefit of the people. The Great Ming's fields need crop rotation—that is, after planting a round of crops, you must plant a round of beans to nourish the land. Land abandonment has a lot to do with this."

"If this liquid fertilizer can really be promoted, doesn't that mean the Great Ming has an extra half of its fields?"

"It's simply unimaginable!"

Wang Wang Chonggu talked endlessly about liquid fertilizer. He had been busy with this matter recently. Planting beans to nourish the land was a helpless move because composting was insufficient. If composting was sufficient, you could also not plant beans, but composting was extremely limited, so you could only plant beans to nourish the land.

If this thing were used everywhere, the Great Ming's fields would be equivalent to doubling. What kind of concept is that?

Wang Wang Chonggu felt that the Great Ming unifying the world was not a problem at all!

Wang Wang Chonggu was not in a state of pathological excitement, but rather the kind of inner exhilaration after finding something to do. Zhu Zhu Yijun could feel that Wang Wang Chonggu was avoiding—avoiding his past self, using busy work to numb his own thinking.

"I know, I know." Zhu Zhu Yijun signaled that Wang Wang Chonggu didn't need to be so excited. He took out Hence Hai Rui's memorial and handed it to Feng Bao, saying, "Second Grand Secretary, take a look and check it."

Hence Hai Rui's morality is very high, which is also his flaw. He doesn't know much about these things. Relying only on his integrity and righteousness, he cannot get things done.

After reading the memorial, Wang Wang Chonggu frowned and said, "Inspector Hai's method is very good, but there is a flaw that he didn't notice."

"Oh? Tell me in detail." Zhu Zhu Yijun was immediately very interested.

"Your Majesty, let me give an example of myself: how to empty the treasury of Datong Prefecture." Wang Wang Chonggu pondered repeatedly and decided to use himself as an example to explain the shortcomings in Hence Hai Rui's memorial.

"Your Majesty, Datong was previously located on the border. It needed to repair the Great Wall, build garrisons to light signal fires to show the enemy situation, and build city walls. These were all Grand Constructions on the border. Of course, even if it wasn't on the border, there were places that could be repaired, such as dredging waterways, building temples, and so on." Wang Wang Chonggu began his explanation.

"In short, it is construction."

"The court needs to allocate a sum of silver, otherwise this Grand Construction cannot be completed. But the court's finances are in a huge deficit, so the local government needs to think of a way. The local government is also poor. At this time, it needs to borrow, and pay it back slowly later."

"Borrowing requires..."

"finding a bank. Usually, you find the biggest bank. The biggest bank cannot refuse, so it has to lend. Even if it is a county government, there are local gentry who can lend. Originally, something that could be done with 50,000 silver might not even be enough with 200,000 silver at this time because of layer-by-layer purchasing."

"Then the court gave 50,000 silver. At this time, it needs to borrow 150,000 silver."

Zhu Zhu Yijun frowned and said, "That's not right. This item only needs 50,000 silver. The court gave 50,000, so it could be done. Why borrow?!"

Wang Wang Chonggu sighed and said, "So we must eliminate layer-by-layer purchasing. This is the biggest root cause of the deficit. Petty corruption is only a little bit, but whenever we oppose corruption, we focus on small things and ignore the big ones. That is avoiding the important and dwelling on the trivial, taking advantage of anti-corruption to seek private gain."

"You seem to be talking about Gao Gong." Zhu Zhu Yijun immediately heard the meaning in Wang Wang Chonggu's words. Zhang Zhang Juzheng does not repeatedly catch corruption. There are only two people in the Great Ming who repeatedly catch corruption: one is Gao Gong, and the other is Hence Hai Rui. Hence Hai Rui naturally wants the world to be clear and clean, so it can only be Gao Gong.

The biggest corrupt official of the Emperor Longqing period was right in front of him, but Wang Wang Chonggu's position was as solid as a rock, and he was not caught at all.

Wang Wang Chonggu waved his hand repeatedly and said, "I didn't say that. Your Majesty said it. Duke Master Xinzheng was upright and not corrupt."

"Continue." Zhu Zhu Yijun knew that Wang Wang Chonggu actually admitted it. He was indeed talking about Gao Gong, but Gao Gong himself was upright and never corrupt, so there was nothing worth criticizing. During the Emperor Longqing period, the Great Ming Emperor, the master of the world, was in seclusion, so Gao Gong could be considered to have done his best.

"At this time, there were 150,000 silver in IOUs. Banks also have conditions for lending money. You can't say you lend money for nothing. Even if the court borrows money, there must be interest. But this interest is not easy to account for." Wang Wang Chonggu whispered, "If you can't get interest, you can always get something else. At this time, the bank said, for example, that piece of land at the city gate, can it be marked?"

"This is marking land."

"Sometimes there is interest, sometimes there isn't. Lending with interest is better. Lending without interest, who knows what is used to exchange for it!"

There was some resentment in Wang Wang Chonggu's tone. Clearly, it evoked his painful memories of when he was a treacherous official.

The current Wang Wang Chonggu actually doesn't want to face his past self. He was him then, and he is him now. The two contradictory and unified states made him feel like he had a fishbone in his throat, and he could only use busy work to offset that sense of fragmentation.

Wang Wang Chonggu also once comforted himself: everyone was corrupt then. If you weren't corrupt, you were an alien, and you couldn't do anything! But this reason couldn't convince himself, because there was a Hence Hai Rui in the court. Hence Hai Rui was truly not corrupt, so this reason was untenable. A treacherous official is a treacherous official. No matter how you cover it up, you can't solve the true colors of a treacherous official.

A fig leaf is ultimately a fig leaf.

Wang Wang Chonggu finally slowly convinced himself to accept the status quo.

Wang Wang Chonggu continued, "This bank takes this IOU, whether there is interest or not, and starts selling it, selling it at a lower price to cash out and leave. Anyway, the land has been marked, the land has been obtained, and the relationship with local officials has been maintained. That's enough."

"The second bank obtained this IOU at a lower cost. At this time, it went to the government office. Will this money be repaid? At this time, the creditor changed. The government office might not recognize it, but the owner of the first bank will come forward to host, sit together, eat and drink, and the government office will recognize this creditor."

"The second bank received a little silver as scheduled, sold the debt again to cash out and leave. The third creditor appeared. From here on, the government office will not repay the money."

Zhu Zhu Yijun pondered and said, "Eh, interesting. Isn't this equivalent to the local government selling land? If it doesn't repay the money later, whoever takes over this IOU will lose everything."

"Your Majesty, if things stop here, it is equivalent to selling land, and the third bank suffered." Wang Wang Chonggu sighed heavily and said, "The third bank that took over is a bit anxious. It thought it had made money by buying 150,000 in debt for 80,000 silver, but the government office doesn't recognize this debt anymore. This is going to be a huge loss."

"At this time,"

"the third one is anxious to sell. It certainly won't lose money, but it can't even think about making money. After tossing and turning like this several times, the government office will not recognize this debt even more."

"At this time, the key person appears. Someone can make this debt redeemable."

"Who? This kind of headless bad debt that might even involve the change of local officials, who to find?" Zhu Zhu Yijun frowned and said.

"The broker appears and takes over this debt. The reason he wants to take over is because the person behind him can make the government office borrow this debt. Who exactly it is, there is a lot of talk here. There are many possibilities. Let the government office recognize this debt. The treasury of Datong Prefecture was emptied like this time and time again, and even became heavily in debt." Wang Wang Chonggu finally finished what he wanted to say.

Zhu Zhu Yijun finally understood. What Wang Wang Chonggu was talking about was always how to empty the treasury of Datong Prefecture. A debt that shouldn't have appeared in the first place, after being resold layer by layer, finally fell into private pockets.

"And you can't find anyone." After listening to what Wang Wang Chonggu said, Zhu Zhu Yijun finally determined one thing: that the headless bad debt that has been transferred many times is a huge pit. Creditors layer by layer, confusing, and the person who finally took over is behind the heavy fog. The treasury was emptied, and the criminals could not be investigated.

Wang Wang Chonggu shook his head and said, "That's right. Corruption is happening, but you just can't find anyone. Inspector Hai's method is comprehensive. The only flaw is this place. Corruption through debt, this kind of thing is hard to guard against, but in fact, it is very simple to cure."

"Simple?" Zhu Zhu Yijun looked at Wang Wang Chonggu and asked in surprise. This kind of complex and systematic problem, the Second Grand Secretary actually said it was simple?!

"Debt claims cannot be transferred, that's all." Wang Wang Chonggu said calmly.

Zhu Zhu Yijun shook his head and said, "But the actual creditor can change."

Wang Wang Chonggu said with a smile, "Your Majesty, this is silver. Passing through hands once is enough to make one terrified. Debt claims cannot be transferred, the purpose is to find that person and see who the silver actually ended up with." ===== CHAPTER 533 =====